Subject: Cider Digest #2068, 18 April 2017 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 21:35:33 -0600 (MDT) From: cider-request@talisman.com Cider Digest #2068 18 April 2017 Cider and Perry Discussion Forum Contents: janitor first-cut thoughts on digest future (Cider Digest Admin) Re: suggestions for finishing up an ice cider (Claude Jolicoeur) A few issues: (Phillip Kelm) RE: Cider Digest #2067, 13 April 2017 ("Ann Marie Thornton") Dabinett or yarlington mill for the west coast? (gloria bell) NOTE: Digest appears whenever there is enough material to send one. Send ONLY articles for the digest to cider@talisman.com. Use cider-request@talisman.com for subscribe/unsubscribe/admin requests. Archives of the Digest are available at www.talisman.com/cider#Archives Digest Janitor: Dick Dunn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: janitor first-cut thoughts on digest future From: Cider Digest Admin Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 22:19:38 -0600 to the Cider Digest: Here's my first round of thoughts and replies to my question(s) about the futures of the Cider Digest. More to come, I'm sure. 1. No, I'm not going to shut down the Cider Digest any time soon, nor will I make any -radical- changes to it. I do have some helpful changes in mind which I'll be working on. 2. One of the problems with Digest relevancy and frequency is my fault: I've been busy enough that I've procrastinated on putting out a Digest, sometimes for several days. That causes a bad feedback: If Digests are infrequent, people don't rely on it as much, or even forget about it. I think I should modify my rules so that a Digest will go out within a couple days at most of when an article is received, even if there's just one pending article. Yes, that should happen soon. 3. NO, I will NOT turn the Digest into a Facebook-style interaction. So those of you who hope for that--get busy and create such an animal as a separate item. If it works, I'll be glad to advertise it here. BUT those of you who don't want Facebook-like high-frequency interaction, don't worry; it's not going to happen here. I do understand that there are lots of cider-makers...the more serious very much among them...who simply don't want a lot of frequent material and/or noise. The Cider Digest will continue to support these folks. 4. There are some obvious needs which aren't being met. All Digests should be available on-line, individually. The days of needing compressed archives are long gone. I'll try to get everything at least back to issue 500 on-line VSN. Also it should be possible to search these archives. I'll get on that. But, bottom line, these items are just a trivial first cut at what we need for the Cider Digest. More to follow. - -- Cider Digest cider-request@talisman.com Dick Dunn, Digest Janitor Boulder County, Colorado USA ------------------------------ Subject: Re: suggestions for finishing up an ice cider From: Claude Jolicoeur Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 23:36:59 -0400 In CD 2066 and 2067, abour finishing ice cider, Dick wrote: > Cold-crashing won't get rid of all of the yeast, just most of > it...which is a trap, actually, if fermentation re-starts: It might > take off slowly after you've forgotten the possibility. Yes, cold crashing isn't sufficient by itself. Although it does clear most of the yeast, there is no garantee all the nutrients are gone, and you only need a couple of yeast cells to regrow a small population that will keep on fermenting. You really have 3 options after you make your cold crash: 1- sterile filtration - this is what most commercial cideries do. 2- pasteurisation. 3- let go as Dick suggests and make as required a few more rackings until you are sure the nutriments are exhausted and no further fermentation can occur (this requires patience...) Claude ------------------------------ Subject: A few issues: From: Phillip Kelm Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2017 05:09:45 +0000 (UTC) First, I have read the digest diligently for some time now. As much as I enjoy reading it, I would not join Facebook to continue reading it. I'm not a dinosaur, I just don't need to know what everyone I know is doing on a real-time basis. Just because I don't interact with this digest more doesn't mean that I don't consider the postings valuable. Thank you for hosting, asking, and answering questions--this site is a real treasure. Second, I am considering a juice supplier that tells me his fresh-pressed juice is 0.25% malic acid, yet gets as low as 3.0pH. I know that 0.25% TA is very low. Also know that pH and TA only loosely correlate. But this seems off the scale to me. Why would pH be so low in a rather mild acid juice? Is this a sign of poor apple choice, or poor processing? Infection? I will do my own measurements when he has juice made. It could be poor measurements/calibrations. Phillip Kelm- www.GitcheGumeeBreweryServices.com, Worldwide Brewery Installation & Engineering Services; ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Cider Digest #2067, 13 April 2017 From: "Ann Marie Thornton" Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2017 10:46:43 -0400 Dick, I just want to chime in to say that I'd like to see this going in some format (and probably NOT Facebook). The US focus is quite nice and I think the need for a forum such as this will continue and grow. I thought Mike Zercher's comments were spot on, so I'll just extend my thanks for all you've done and express my hope that this continues. Ann Marie Thornton James Creek Ciderhouse/James Creek Orchards Cameron, NC ------------------------------ Subject: Dabinett or yarlington mill for the west coast? From: gloria bell Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2017 20:53:56 -0700 In in western Canada. Vancouver island and it's very much the same climate as the pacific north west - Oregon and Washington state. It's wet. All the time. I'm putting in a mini orchard and have cider making as being of the utmost pinnacle. Putting in 70 or so m9 on a tall spindle system. Have about 50 varieties (I know it's a lot) and would like to put in a bunch of either yarlington mill or dabinett. Have mm106 (which might be better for dabinett as it seems to be a weak grower here) and m9. Suggestions on which is better workhorse or better flavour overall? Which would you choose? Thank you! Gloria ------------------------------ End of Cider Digest #2068 *************************